ㄹ/을 원해요 and 고싶다

[ratnamaliak1783]

What is the differencea between ㄹ/을 원해요 and 고싶다. can I use like these sentences ?are they meaning become different?
1. 갈원해요 and 거고싶어요
2. 우유를 원해요 and 우유를 마싯고싶어요

addition:
a. how to use word mean 'when' in korean? such as in (with sentence pattern/rule please)
- I cry when I see him
- when then rain comes

b. what is korean words for
- anytime
- anymore
- sometimes

ok, that's all, thankyou
감사합니다

[skylen]

I'll try to explain with the best of my knowledge (still a beginner) until someone who understands more comes in!

Since they both are a way of saying "I want", the way I distinguish and remember the difference in use between ㄹ/를 원하다 and -고 싶다 is:
I want "an item" ex. "I want patbingsu." "팥빙수를 원해요."
I want "to do something." ex. "I want to go to Seoul." "서울에 가고 싶어요."

About your examples,

갈 원해요
In thought, this would sense. But what makes this seem wrong to me is that 을/를 is a direct object particle which is used to indicate a noun/pronoun that is being affected by a verb, while 가 is a verb. So to have those two together wouldn't make much sense to me. Speaking-wise, if someone said that to me, I would think they were asking for a knife (칼). lol.

가고 싶어요 (that's what you meant right?)
That's exactly "I want to go"

[skylen]

Sorry it wouldn't let me type anymore in the last post. (And I accidently deleted everything right as I was about to post this)

K your second examples.

우유를 원해요
Okay! "I want milk"

우유를 마싯고싶어요
Okay, just a correction. 우유를 마시고 싶어요. "I want to drink milk."

These are great examples of the difference between the two "I want"s. The first example with the use of a direct object particle, you will need to use a noun/pronoun, so the sentence is about wanting and item/object. The second example, a verb stem usually precedes -고, so the sentence usually is about wanting an action.

The word for "when" in Korean is 언제 (adverb, "when") and 때 (noun, meaning for time/occasion), such as in your sentences,
When the rain comes. 언제 비가 온다.
I cry when I see him. 나는 그를 볼 때마다 내가 운다. (Lit: I cry whenever I see him.)

[skylen]

K last post. lol.

Anytime 언제든지
Anymore 더 이상
Sometimes 가끔

And that's it! I hoped this helped, and I hope once the others get here, you'll get better answers to your questions!

[trutherous]

Hi everyone -- wow skyfen you are good at grammar --I'll be the first to admit that I am not very good at grammar so the following may contain errors.

From my observation both 싶다 and 원하다 express want, desire, or longing but appear to be generally divergent in use according to noun and verb forms:

verb+고 싶다 -- want to do
먹고 싶다 - I want to eat
~을 갖고 싶다 - I want to possess (it)

noun+ㄹ/을 원하다 -- want to have something

평화를 원하다 - I want peace

but in the previous example of the 가다 (to go) we could make the verb idea work with a little pattern modification:

가기를 원해요
가는 것을 원해요

Anyway, I hope my comments will shed some light on the situation rather than create more confusion.

Have a great day studying Korean!

[ratnamaliak1783]

ok, I understand now. 원해요 for noun and 고싶다 for verb. thankyou all. just little bit confuse about
'가는거슬 원해요' is it also mean 'I want to go' ?

[fiby87]

가는 것을 원해요 yes it should mean I want to go because it's a relative clause

About "when" I think you could use also -(으)면 for example 비가 오면 집에 있어요.

Please note that I'm a beginner too so wait for confirm these explanations ^.^

[skylen]

Thanks fiby87! That's a good example. When loosely translated into English, 비가 오면 집에 있어요, can be made to mean "when it rains, I'm at home."

But when using -(으) 면, it more directly translates to "if".

If it rains, I'm at home.

[timandyou]

Hello Ratna,
About your question...
I will explain it with details later...
But at this point, you have to know this first!

1. -고 싶다 is "want to verb / like to verb" in English.
The usage is "want + to VERB" = Verb Stem + 고 싶다 in Korean.
For ex) 먹 + 고 싶다 (먹 "to eat" + 싶다 "want")
자고 싶다 (자 "to sleep" + 싶다 "want")
보고 싶다 (보 "to watch" + 싶다 "want")
and many more...

2. about ㄹ/을 원해요.
There are two usages of this.

A. noun + 원해(요) "I want a noun".
In this case, 을 is OBJECT particle. DO NOT CONFUSED!!!!
For ex) "I want milk" 난 우유를 원해(요) '를' is Object Particle!!!!
"You want water" 너는 물을 원해(요) '을' is OBJECT particle!!!!!
and many more...

B. VERB + ㄹ/을 원해(요).
I have to say that its better formation would be "verb stem + 기(를) 원해(요)"
For ex) 하 + 기를 원해요 => 하기를(하길) 원해요
먹 + 기를 원해요 => 먹기를(먹길) 원해요
보 + 기를 원해요 => 보기를(보길) 원해요
and many more...

remember this - 'verb stem' + 기 => "A GERUND"
For ex) 먹다 "to eat" => 먹 + 기 => 먹기 "eating"
보다 "to see" => 보 + 기 => 보기 "seeing"
하다 "to do" => 하 + 기 => 하기 "doing"
and many more...

Hope my explanation helps,
cheers,
Tim

ps. Ratna, have you listened to my (Tim's) lessons?
Please let me know about that...
Tim