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Seol: 안녕하세요. 윤설입니다.
Keith: Keith here! This? That? No, That! Over There! Seol, what do you think about the title?
Seol: Well, we have to know what “this”, “that”, and “that over there” is. So I think the title is fine.
Keith: It’s a little confusing, isn’t it?
Seol: Yeah. Yeah. In fact, I thought it’s quite confusing.
Keith: Oh, so you weren’t being honest with me?
Seol: I’m trying to be nice.
Keith: Okay. Well, we’ll find out if it’s confusing or not. So in today’s conversation, there’s a customer and he’s going to the market place and he’s trying to buy something. He’s showing the staff what he wants to buy. And what kind politeness level are we using here?
Seol: They are really formal to each other.
Keith: And they’re using a little standard politeness level too, right?
Seol: Yeah, yeah.
Keith: Just a little bit.
Seol: Yeah.
Keith: Just tiny. Yeah.
Seol: Just one word. Yeah. Just standard.
Keith: Yeah. But still very formal. So let’s jump right into it.

Lesson conversation

손님 이거 있습니까?
직원 그거요? 그거 없습니다. 이거 있습니다.
손님 그거요? 음… 저거는요?
직원 네, 있습니다.
Seol: 한 번 더 천천히
손님 이거 있습니까?
직원 그거요? 그거 없습니다. 이거 있습니다.
손님 그거요? 음… 저거는요?
직원 네, 있습니다.
Seol: 영어로 한 번 더
손님 이거 있습니까?
Keith: Do you have this?
직원 그거요? 그거 없습니다. 이거 있습니다.
Keith: That? We don't have that. We have this.
손님 그거요? 음… 저거는요?
Keith: That? Hm... What about that over there?
직원 네, 있습니다.
Keith: Yes. We have that.
Keith: Seol, what did you think of the conversation?
Seol: Maybe..have you ever been to Namdaemun?
Keith: Of course, I’ve been to the marketplace.
Seol: Yeah.
Keith: Namdaemun market.
Seol: Namdaemun is quite famous for sightseeing, right?
Keith: Yeah.
Seol: I think it happens there, you know. Like, he wants to buy some imitation bag.
Keith: Yeah. Maybe that’s exactly what it is, he wants to buy imitation. I thought this conversation was pretty confusing, you know.
Seol: That is true.
Keith: Yeah. It’s like “this”, “no, that”, “no, this”. “Oh, this one?” “No, that one. No, no, no, that one.” So it’s all over the place. But these are some very useful words, so we’re going to get right into the vocabulary. Okay, why don’t you start us off?
Seol: 이거[natural native speed]
Keith: This (spoken).
Seol: 이거 [slowly - broken down by syllable]. 이거 [natural native speed].
Keith: Actually, the real word is…
Seol: 이것 [natural native speed].
Keith: But when you speak, you say이거instead of이것. 이거is for speaking. Next we have…
Seol: 그거[natural native speed]
Keith: That [spoken - (close to the listener).
Seol: 그거 [slowly - broken down by syllable]. 그거 [natural native speed]

Lesson focus

Keith: Once again, the written form is그것. But here we’re speaking, so we say 그거. It’s kind of difficult to hear the pronunciation, so why don’t we hear both of them side by side?
Seol: 이거, 이것; 그거, 그것
Keith: And the last one is….
Seol: 저거[natural native speed].
Keith: That [spoken - (far from the listener)]
Seol: 저거 [slowly - broken down by syllable]. 저거 [natural native speed].
Keith: 그것 means “that” and 저거 means “that”. Yeah, they both mean that. But Seol, can you please clear up the difference between 그것and 저거 “that”.
Seol: Okay. When I say it is 그거 close to the listener, but when I say 저거 it is far from both of us.
Keith: Right. So far from both the listener and the speaker.
Seol: Right.
Keith: So 저거 is far from both of us, and 그거 is close to the listener but far from the speaker.
Seol: Right.
Keith: Now today’s conversation is fairly simple. We just have a couple of new vocabulary and the rest of it is review. So why don’t we go through it really quickly? Okay. The first line we have is 이거 있습니까?. The first word is…
Seol: 이거
Keith: “This”. After that…
Seol: 있습니까?
Keith: “To exist”. But in this context, it’s translated as “to have”. So “this have”. So I guess..
Seol: “Do you have this” right?
Keith: Right, he’s showing something.
Seol: Right.
Keith: He’s showing something to the staff. So “Do you have this thing over here?” What do you think he’s buying, by the way?
Seol: I think it might be a bag or a wallet.
Keith: It can be anything, right?
Seol: You’re right. But…
Keith: Maybe a banana.
Seol: You didn’t bring a picture of banana. And when you want to buy a banana, you don’t have to show which one that you want.
Keith: Maybe this guy is a beginner in Korean.
Seol: And he might be picky just like you.
Keith: Yeah. Okay. So here, “banana have”. No, “this have.” “Do you have this?” Okay, next line is…
Seol: 그거요?
Keith: That? Okay, can you break it down for us?
Seol: 그거요?
Keith: In our previous lesson, we went over the standard politeness form. And in our last lesson, we were using 요 which is the standard politeness level. So here, it’s 그거요?. You can say just 그거?
Seol: No.
Keith: Well, you can.
Seol: Among friends.
Keith: Among friends, because that’s the intimate level. If you’re very intimate with the people you’re speaking with, you can say 그거? “that”. But because these two are strangers, he says 그거요? Here, you’re just adding on 요 to make it polite. Okay Seol, can you please give us the next line?
Seol: 그거 없습니다.
Keith: The first part is…
Seol: 그거
Keith: “That”…
Seol: 없습니다.
Keith: “Not have.” So “that don’t have”. So, “I don’t have that.” Okay. After that is…
Seol: 이거 있습니다.
Keith: “This have”. “I have this.” So he’s probably showing the customer, “Oh, this over here! I have this”, and he’s showing it to the customer. Okay. After that is 그거요? “That?” But this one also has the standard politeness level with 요. So, 그거요? And after that is “음...” That’s how Korean people think, right?
Seol: Yeah.
Keith: That’s the sound.
Seol: Before you say something, you need this kind of “음...” sound.
Keith: Okay. Like in English, we use “Hmmm….”
Seol: “Well…”
Keith: “Well….”
Seol: You know…
Keith: Yeah. Exactly. But in Korean, what else is there? There’s “음...”
Seol: 글쎄..
Keith: 글쎄... “아….”
Seol: “아…” Yeah, “ah…”.
Keith: But I think “ah...” is universal.
Seol: That is true.
Keith: Maybe.
Seol: That is true.
Keith: But yeah, here, it’s “Mmmm…” and the customer is thinking. Okay, after that is 저거요? The first part is 저거. This is also “that” but it’s farther from both the listener and the speaker. Right after that is 는. This is the topic marking particle, but here it’s used as a contrasting particle. So here, the customer is using it to contrast “that” to “that”. So “not that one, that one”, right?
Seol: Yes. So we can have two “that”, right?
Keith: Yeah, we have two “that’s” but we’re using 는 to contrast. He wants to know about “that one”, the one that’s farther from both of us. So he’s like 그거는요? So here, he’s asking, “What about that one?” And we know that because of the 는. He wants to know about the other one. It’s “Ah, that one’s…hmm. That’s okay. How about that one?” 저거는요? So this 는 here is not used a topic marker but is used as a contracting particle. All right. So lastly, we have….
Seol: 네.
Keith: Yes.
Seol: 있습니다.
Keith: “To have”. But here, the subject has been dropped and we can infer that the staff is talking about himself. So “yes, I have it.” All right. So we’re done.
Seol: Wow.
Keith: How do you feel about that lesson?
Seol: I first I felt it might be really hard, but because you gave a great explanation, I think the listeners might understand the meaning
Keith: Well, no, Seol, you did help out a lot.
Seol: Uh-uh, no.
Keith: Just being modest. She’s just being Korean.
Seol: Thank you.


Keith: Well, that’s going to do it for today. See you later!
Seol: 안녕!


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